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		<title>By: joel</title>
		<link>http://www.socializedpr.com/students-failing-english-due-to-twitter-facebook/#comment-3517</link>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 16:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aran, thank you for your comment and support. You may be right, but I'm not sure exactly which sentence she would be referring to. 

As you so rightly point out, a basic rule with commas is to use one when to not do so would impair understanding. Strunk and White says "place a comma before a conjunction introducing an independent clause," and gives the example "The early records of the city have disappeared, and the story of its first years can no longer be reconstructed."

http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html

This is why I put a comma in the sentence that ends "changing the way people communicate, and causing students to fail English." To not do so would cause the reader to think that this was a list of two items, which it was not.

Ruthanne's comment troubles me on many levels. My blog post, interview with Canadian Press, and the outcry by Canada's academic community have nothing to do with misplaced commas. Some of the “problems” stem from, as Ruthanne says, adaptation to changes in language vs. seeing those changes as "wrong," and I accept that. More importantly, though, this is about a looming, unprecedented breakdown in communications, the inability of students to pass basic English competency exams, and worse still, upon graduation, their inability to communicate as required in their chosen professions.

My SAT score was in the 98 percentile in English. I am one of the most highly paid and sought after business writers in the Silicon Valley. I am a published author. I have a degree in communications. I was a graduate teaching assistant and taught communications. I am a published author. 

I know, big deal, but Ruthanne’s attempt to link the writing on my blog to this situation is weak, and her analysis is ludicrous. She cites no solid examples and attempts to play at being a linguistic Sherlock Holmes when she can’t hold a candle to Scooby Doo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aran, thank you for your comment and support. You may be right, but I&#8217;m not sure exactly which sentence she would be referring to. </p>
<p>As you so rightly point out, a basic rule with commas is to use one when to not do so would impair understanding. Strunk and White says &#8220;place a comma before a conjunction introducing an independent clause,&#8221; and gives the example &#8220;The early records of the city have disappeared, and the story of its first years can no longer be reconstructed.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html</a></p>
<p>This is why I put a comma in the sentence that ends &#8220;changing the way people communicate, and causing students to fail English.&#8221; To not do so would cause the reader to think that this was a list of two items, which it was not.</p>
<p>Ruthanne&#8217;s comment troubles me on many levels. My blog post, interview with Canadian Press, and the outcry by Canada&#8217;s academic community have nothing to do with misplaced commas. Some of the “problems” stem from, as Ruthanne says, adaptation to changes in language vs. seeing those changes as &#8220;wrong,&#8221; and I accept that. More importantly, though, this is about a looming, unprecedented breakdown in communications, the inability of students to pass basic English competency exams, and worse still, upon graduation, their inability to communicate as required in their chosen professions.</p>
<p>My SAT score was in the 98 percentile in English. I am one of the most highly paid and sought after business writers in the Silicon Valley. I am a published author. I have a degree in communications. I was a graduate teaching assistant and taught communications. I am a published author. </p>
<p>I know, big deal, but Ruthanne’s attempt to link the writing on my blog to this situation is weak, and her analysis is ludicrous. She cites no solid examples and attempts to play at being a linguistic Sherlock Holmes when she can’t hold a candle to Scooby Doo.</p>
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		<title>By: Aran</title>
		<link>http://www.socializedpr.com/students-failing-english-due-to-twitter-facebook/#comment-3516</link>
		<dc:creator>Aran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 14:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd wager one of the punctuation "errors" Ruthanne wanted to point out was the "Oxford Comma" (it isn't really a serial comma as the list is only two items long; no comma should be present).  The more important question is: while the comma may look strange, does it impair understanding or create ambiguity?  In this case? No. So why is it an issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d wager one of the punctuation &#8220;errors&#8221; Ruthanne wanted to point out was the &#8220;Oxford Comma&#8221; (it isn&#8217;t really a serial comma as the list is only two items long; no comma should be present).  The more important question is: while the comma may look strange, does it impair understanding or create ambiguity?  In this case? No. So why is it an issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Jocelyn</title>
		<link>http://www.socializedpr.com/students-failing-english-due-to-twitter-facebook/#comment-3281</link>
		<dc:creator>Jocelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former NYU adjunct PR/Writing professor, I can honestly agree with Joel's post. My students were terrible writers and I did my best to get them to adhere to AP Guidelines for business writing.

While I agree that language is a form of communication, and that it does change over time, I do not agree that communication in business will become informal or use "common" language.

Today's students need to know how to write (properly) in order to express themselves coherently and thoughtfully. If they cannot express themselves in writing, they won't make in a business environment. And clearly, people need to work in order to live.

My $.02.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former NYU adjunct PR/Writing professor, I can honestly agree with Joel&#8217;s post. My students were terrible writers and I did my best to get them to adhere to AP Guidelines for business writing.</p>
<p>While I agree that language is a form of communication, and that it does change over time, I do not agree that communication in business will become informal or use &#8220;common&#8221; language.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s students need to know how to write (properly) in order to express themselves coherently and thoughtfully. If they cannot express themselves in writing, they won&#8217;t make in a business environment. And clearly, people need to work in order to live.</p>
<p>My $.02.</p>
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		<title>By: Is social media dumbing us down? &#124; Soma comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is social media dumbing us down? &#124; Soma comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 02.04.10 5:16 pm    This is an interesting article that I read today. Students are failing English because of SMS (abbreviations like l8r) and using incomplete sentences.  It seems that we now have a second language!  Are you versed in both?  Can you switch between texting your child and writing the report on revenue projections?  To me, it says that as an older adult I may try to &#8220;fit in&#8221; with younger generations by using the informality of social media  &#8211; but I better not let it slip into my day today work activities!  You can read more about the study here http://www.socializedpr.com/students-failing-english-due-to-twitter-facebook/. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 02.04.10 5:16 pm    This is an interesting article that I read today. Students are failing English because of SMS (abbreviations like l8r) and using incomplete sentences.  It seems that we now have a second language!  Are you versed in both?  Can you switch between texting your child and writing the report on revenue projections?  To me, it says that as an older adult I may try to &#8220;fit in&#8221; with younger generations by using the informality of social media  &#8211; but I better not let it slip into my day today work activities!  You can read more about the study here <a href="http://www.socializedpr.com/students-failing-english-due-to-twitter-facebook/" rel="nofollow">http://www.socializedpr.com/students-failing-english-due-to-twitter-facebook/</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Is Texting the future of writing? Bet Not. &#124; iCentered</title>
		<link>http://www.socializedpr.com/students-failing-english-due-to-twitter-facebook/#comment-3251</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Texting the future of writing? Bet Not. &#124; iCentered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  A Canadian press  article claims that the  free-form writing style of social networks like Twitter and Facebook is changing the way people communicate, and causing students to fail English. It definitely changes communications, but I doubt that this is the reason they fail English. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  A Canadian press  article claims that the  free-form writing style of social networks like Twitter and Facebook is changing the way people communicate, and causing students to fail English. It definitely changes communications, but I doubt that this is the reason they fail English. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
		<link>http://www.socializedpr.com/students-failing-english-due-to-twitter-facebook/#comment-3249</link>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruthanne,

To suggest that my blog is an example of poor writing is disingenuous, mean spirited and completely false. There are more errors in the first paragraph of your comment than there are in the 10 most recent posts on this blog, but what would be the value in pointing them out?

Joel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruthanne,</p>
<p>To suggest that my blog is an example of poor writing is disingenuous, mean spirited and completely false. There are more errors in the first paragraph of your comment than there are in the 10 most recent posts on this blog, but what would be the value in pointing them out?</p>
<p>Joel</p>
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		<title>By: Shari Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.socializedpr.com/students-failing-english-due-to-twitter-facebook/#comment-3247</link>
		<dc:creator>Shari Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an English teacher in colleges and high schools for many, many years, I -- like the commenter above -- have seen a variety of reasons why students fail their writing courses.

They do NOT fail because of social media. If anything, social media platforms are giving students more opportunities to put their thoughts into written words. Students who really want to do well in a class, whether it is English or Chemistry or Math, must learn the appropriate rules/tips/guidelines for success AND THEN they must follow them.

I actually use Twitter and Blogging in my classrooms, and many of them want to learn more and do better as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an English teacher in colleges and high schools for many, many years, I &#8212; like the commenter above &#8212; have seen a variety of reasons why students fail their writing courses.</p>
<p>They do NOT fail because of social media. If anything, social media platforms are giving students more opportunities to put their thoughts into written words. Students who really want to do well in a class, whether it is English or Chemistry or Math, must learn the appropriate rules/tips/guidelines for success AND THEN they must follow them.</p>
<p>I actually use Twitter and Blogging in my classrooms, and many of them want to learn more and do better as a result.</p>
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